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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the Brit Nats in Wales WATCH website.


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Who are the British nationalists?
nationalism - Oxford English Dictionary

noun 1 patriotic feeling.... 2 advocacy of political independence for a particular country.

The above most definitely applies to us as Welsh Nationalists, but it's been brought to our attention that some people are uneasy about us using the term 'British nationalists' to describe our friends in the Labour Party, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems.

They believe it unfairly associates these British parties with the racist BNP (unlike our Labour friends, who would never try to imply that Welsh nationalists are similar to the racist BNP, of course!). So, we decided to put this to the test:

Labour/Tories/LibDems v BNP

1. Believe Britain is a nation - ditto
2. Can't stop calling Britain the 'nation state' - ditto
3. Want to retain the Queen as head of state - ditto (there's a trend here)
4. Believe Britain should have seat at UN - erm, ditto again
5. Believe immigrants to Britain should learn English - yup
6. Believe immans should preach in English - same again
7. Wrap themselves in the Union Jack every opportunity - luv it!
8. Want to control immigration into Britain - yup

... and we could go on.

Do we believe Labour, the Tories and Lib Dems are the same as the racist BNP? No! But they're still British nationalists and Welsh nationalists don't agree with most things which Labour and the BNP do. Do we believe Plaid Cymru are a Welsh version of the BNP? No again, but doesn't stop Labour insinuating that they are. The Labour and the BNP's contents to the British pudding are different - but it's still a British pudding.

So, if a person who believes Wales has the moral right to become a nation state with its own head of state, a seat at the United Nations and full member-state status of the European Union is called a 'Welsh nationalists', then, it stands to reason, logically, that a person who believes the same moral right exists for the 'British' imagined community should be called a 'British nationalist'.

It's the tactic of all nationalisms, which are the nationalisms of the dominant imagined community, to paint the aspirant nationalism of nations within the state as dangerous, racists or abnormal. That's the tactic throughout history from the Russians in the USSR, to the Turks viz a vis the Kurds; the French ascendency within the Belgian state against the Flemings; the Indonesians against the East Timorese.

Not refering to yourself as a nationalist doesn't make you less of a nationalist, it just means the nation you indentify with isn't threatened. Calling the Labour party, and the other British parties, British nationalists isn't an insult, it's just telling the truth. It's pointing out that the emperor has no clothes ... or in this case, is clothed in the Union Jack.

Welsh nationalists are proud to call themselves nationalists because they believe Wales should be a nation state with it's own head of state a seat at the UN and full national status in the EU. Why don't our Labour, LibDem and Tory friends make the case for British nationalism with the same confidence?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Shaz, that one al> > It's amazing how similar the responses of Brits on the right and
left are.

* Conservatives - You can't split us up, we're one nation with shared history.
* Labour - You can't split us up, we're one nation, with shared values.
* Lib Dems - Um uh, we only do local issues.

* BNP - You can't split us up, we're one race with shared genes/skin colour
* SWP - You can't split up the working class, we're one people with a shared resistance.

Oh, and for a little fun, see the Unionist "Bullfrog" Generator http://sylvander.batcave.net

You'll find all the pat answers there.

The party slogans are more or less what you can hear out there. Swap
the terms, and you get the same thing more or less. Which is kind of
disturbing.ways made me chuckle.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The English Democrat/Monster Raving Loony vote from the Crewe by-election.

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Edward Timpson (Con) 20,539 (49.49%, +16.93%)
Tamsin Dunwoody (Lab) 12,679 (30.55%, -18.29%)
Elizabeth Shenton (Lib Dem) 6,040 (14.55%, -4.03%)
Mike Nattrass (UKIP) 922 (2.22%)
Robert Smith (Green) 359 (0.87%)
David Roberts (Eng Dem) 275 (0.66%)
The Flying Brick (Monster Raving Loony) 236 (0.57%)
Laughing

Why did they both stand? Talk about splitting the vote.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you haven't heard, the Greens (hooray!) and the BNP (boo!) beat Labour in the Henley by-election. Whether this is a reflection of how low Labour is sunk, or the level of bigotry in Henley is open to question.

The odious English Democrats also got a pathetic result.


Those results in full
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7476703.stm

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John Howell: Conservative 19,796
Stephen Kearney: Lib Dems 9,680
Mark Stevenson: Green 1,321
Timothy Rait: BNP 1,243

Richard McKenzie:Labour 1,066
Chris Adams, UK Independence Party, 843 (2.43%, -0.07%)
Bananaman Owen - Monster Raving Loony Party, 242 (0.70%)
Derek Allpass - English Democrats, 157 (0.45%)

Amanda Harrington - Independent (Miss Great Britain Party), 128 (0.37%)
Dick Rodgers - The Common Good, 121 (0.35%)
Louise Cole - Independent (Miss Great Britain Party), 91 (0.26%)
Harry Bear - The Fur Play Party, 73 (0.21%)


Personally, I think that the English Democrats would have done a lot better, if their usual vote hadn't been split by the BNP, UKIP, Miss Great Britain and the Fur Play Party. Cool
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