TINE Forums
 SearchSearch   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
start blogging your Cornwall now...
Welcome to TINE Cornwall. Discussing the future of Cornwall. Forum Index - View unanswered posts
Cornish tick box on the 2011 census.
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Discussing the future of Cornwall. Forum Index -> Cornish tick box on the 2011 census.
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
tregenna



Joined: 06 Aug 2007
Posts: 87


Network this topic
Digg It
Del.icio.us
Slashdot It!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: Cornish tick box on the 2011 census. Reply with quote

Don't forget to sign this !

http://www.pledgebank.com/Cornish-Tick-Box

http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/BSPS/annualConference/2006_localgov.htm#generated-subheading3
Cornish ethnicity data from the 2001 Census
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
JonFlower



Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Posts: 26
Location: Kernow


Network this topic
Digg It
Del.icio.us
Slashdot It!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just sent this to info@statistics.gov.uk (census.customerservices@ons.gov.uk doesn't seem to work - maybe the server saw the word "cornish" in the message and bounced it back Wink )

Dear Sirs,

It beggars belief that in the 21st Century you still deny the Cornish People any sense of recognition on your census forms i.e. a simple tick-box option to express their identity.

You will no doubt have data that shows that on the 2001 census some 38,000 people had to deny being British, tick the other box, and write Cornish on their forms.

To elaborate on my point, I understand that the following codes were used on the 2001 census for peoples considered native to Britain & Ireland:

WHITE

01 British
02 Irish
03 English
04 Scottish
05 Welsh
06 Cornish
…. 14 Irish Traveller

Why will there be no tick box for Cornish people, yet there will be tick boxes for the other peoples listed above? Many of the inhabitants of the Duchy of Cornwall (Kernow) consider themselves part of a unique group, and I believe that it is long over due for them to express their identity fairly.

Regards,
Jonathan Flower"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
palores



Joined: 26 Sep 2007
Posts: 38


Network this topic
Digg It
Del.icio.us
Slashdot It!
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Census for England, Cornwall and Wales -- Latest response from the Office of National Statistics which again seems to suggest that the right of the Cornish national minority to record their identity in its own land is not a priority.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census/

There are many different ethnic, religious and national groups present inthe UK and there is greater demand for information from the 2011 Census than space available in the questionnaire. Current working assumptions suggest that there will be more space than was allocated for the sequestions in 2001, but not enough to enable tick-boxes to be provided for all the groups that are present in significant numbers in the UK.

The same census questions will be asked in all parts of England and Wales. For those groups that are not specifically covered with a tick-box, the ethnicity question contains an ‘other, please write in’ box. ONS has produced an Equality Impact Assessment (EIA) on the Ethnicity, Identity, Language and Religion question development process to identify the likely impact on race, gender, and disability equality of this policy, in order that any adverse impact can be eliminated or reduced to the greatest possible extent within the available resources.

As a result of the EIA ONS have developed principles to prioritise which groups will be covered by tick-boxes and which will be covered by ‘Other’ written-in answers. The prioritisation principles are based on the following themes:

1. Strength of need for information on that group;
2. Lack of alternative sources of information;
3. Clarity and quality of the information collected and acceptability to respondents;
4. Comparability with 2001 data;
5. Operational considerations such as length of question(s), speed and cost-effectiveness of processing, and ability to collect comparable information in other surveys.

As previously mentioned , a White Paper setting out the Government's proposals including the wording of any questions about ethnicity and identity is scheduled to be published in Autumn 2008. However it will not be possible to confirm what questions and response categories are to be included in the 2011 Census until the consultation and question testing programme is complete and formal approval is given by Parliament in 2010.

For those groups that will not be covered by tick-boxes, ONS will be liaising with representatives of groups to inform them of the policy and encourage members of the group they represent to make full use of the write-in boxes to ensure their community is accurately measured.

We will then be developing a policy on how the written-in answers will be output, including in what circumstances outputs from Census data will be produced based on the written answers.

Regards

Ethnicity, Identity and Inequalities Branch

Ethnicity&Identity@ons.gsi.gov.uk


Fascinating real proof that shows Scottish identity is growing and its not too hard to believe that the same is true for Welsh and Cornish identity.

Quote:
Only 13% of people born and living in England, and 3% of people born and living in Scotland, describe themselves as ‘only’ or ‘mainly’ British.

Meanwhile, nearly half of those born and living in England say that they are ‘equally English and British’, and only one in five born and living in Scotland describe themselves as ‘equally Scottish and British’.

These are some of the key findings of the latest British Social Attitudes report, published today by NatCen. Gordon Brown’s premiership has once again brought national identity, and ‘Britishness’ in particular, to the top of the political debate. The report shows that fewer people now describe themselves as British

http://www.natcen.ac.uk/natcen/pages/news_and_media_docs/BSA_24_report.pdf

:



Letter to the Daily Mail 15 March 2006:

Sir,

Proposals for 'national identity tick-boxes' in the 2011 Census have been mis-reported. A tick-box for English is included, as well as Scottish, Welsh and Irish and additionally British. Your correspondent (Anthony Dodd, 15 March) will rest easy that he can be an 'undiluted' Englishman.

Yours faithfully,

Karen Dunnell

National Statistician
Office for National Statistics
1 Drummond Gate
London SW1V 2QQ



Don't forget to sign the petition:

http://www.petitiononline.com/Cornish/petition.html


----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Census 2001

For the first time in a UK Census, those wishing to describe their ethnicity as Cornish were given their own code number (06) on the 2001 UK Census form, alongside those for people wishing to describe themselves as English, Welsh, Irish or Scottish. About 34,000 people in Cornwall and 3,500 people in the rest of the UK wrote on their census forms in 2001 that they considered their ethnic group to be Cornish. This represented nearly 7% of the population of Cornwall and is therefore a significant phenomenon. Although happy with this development, campaigners expressed reservations about the lack of publicity surrounding the issue, the lack of a clear tick-box for the Cornish option on the census and the need to deny being British in order to write "Cornish" in the field provided. The UK government has agreed recently that English and Welsh will have an ethnicity tick box on the Census 2011 but there will be no Cornish option tick box. Various Cornish organisations are campaigning for the inclusion of the Cornish tick box on the 2011 Census.

There wasn't an English, Welsh or Cornish tick box on the 2001 UK Census, only British, Irish, Irish Traveller or the option to write in another identity under the others option. The English and Welsh options have been permitted a tick box for the 2011 Census by the Office for National Statistics but the Cornish tick box was refused because "insufficient requirement for the data had been expressed by Census users" and "national identity and ethnicity questions will contain tick boxes only for the largest groups *." This appear to be discrimination as organisations such as the Government Office of the South West and Cornwall Council amongst others had requested this data to be supplied. There have been claims that by not including the Cornish option this is institutional racial discrinination against the Cornish and that the government is employing double standards by recognising all the other UK indigenous minorities and many non-indigenous UK minorities, but not the Cornish.

* Gypsies and Irish Travellers are both legally recognised as distinct ethnic groups and have the protection of the law which comes from that - the Race Relations Act 1976 identifies each as having a shared culture, language and beliefs. It is estimated that there are about 200,000 - 300,000 Gypsies and Travellers living in the UK... and they have a census tick box". - from the ONS - "national identity and ethnicity questions will contain tick boxes only for the largest groups." http://www.equalitysouthwest.org.uk/about-us/promoting-equality-for/gypsies-and-travellers.html

The UK government has also made legal undertakings with the Council of Europe to take "resolute action" in support of the Cornish language but in fact does not have an accurate figure for the number of Cornish people or the number of Cornish language speakers. By writing in "Cornish" on the Census 2001, this could be construed as requiring Cornish people to deny their British identity. Persons who did were then re-classified by the ONS as "White British" in published Census data. By having to tick the "other box" it has been claimed that this is psychologically designed to elict a negative response first (in crossing out British and denying British identity) before one's own positive identification can be made. There have been claims that this is deliberate as it intents to make Cornish identity problematic rather than an act or expression of positive and natural identification. The Cornish Stannary Parliament, amongst other Cornish groups, say they support the inclusion of the 2011 Census Cornish tick box as the Cornish are the only UK indigenous language group, UK Census 2001 group and UK ethnically monitored group to be specifically targetted in this way by the UK government.

http://www.cornishstannaryparliament.co.uk/

http://duchyofcornwall.eu/duchy05.php

http://www.kernowtgg.co.uk/

http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/BSPS/annualConference/2006_localgov.htm#generated-subheading3

http://www.pledgebank.com/Cornish-Tick-Box

The problem with the 2001 Census form, was that in order to register as CORNISH, people had to deny they were BRITISH. As Cornish people do not, in the main, wish to reject their British identity, by making it an either/or decision, the ONS form inhibited people from registering as Cornish. This was merely one feature of the Census that led to Census 2001, and will lead to Census 2011, under-recording the numbers of Cornish by a factor of four. This has a significant adverse effect on the Cornish, particulary in terms of general policy formulation and service delivery. In John Angarracks's book (Scat t’Larrups? - Resist and Survive - http://johnangarrack.co.uk/ ) you will see that the extremely low Census return (the ONS were alerted to the Cornish Census recording problems prior to conducting the Census) was used by the Government in the High Court to undermine a legal challenge designed to get the Goverment to include the Cornish in the Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
palores



Joined: 26 Sep 2007
Posts: 38


Network this topic
Digg It
Del.icio.us
Slashdot It!
PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cornish Independence Day ! Very Happy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvldovHFj68

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Abieuan



Joined: 06 Apr 2007
Posts: 36
Location: Strathclyde


Network this topic
Digg It
Del.icio.us
Slashdot It!
PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's good, but how can it be shown to a wider audience?
How much is a tv advert these days?
It might be better than the cost of MK putting up a candidate in the European elections "southwest region"
Since it's not untill 2011, that's a fair bit of time for a campaign fund to raise money for an ad' in the week before the census.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Scottish Republican



Joined: 11 Apr 2007
Posts: 707


Network this topic
Digg It
Del.icio.us
Slashdot It!
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TV adverts will be coming down in price - they're having trouble getting any!

Glad to see that the 2011 Census (I did a rehearsal recently in Gaidhlig!) offers you the option of ticking "Scottish", without ticking "British". Mind you, they may well hunt down the Scots not Brits in Scotland if things get too hot!
_________________
Scottish not "British"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
palores



Joined: 26 Sep 2007
Posts: 38


Network this topic
Digg It
Del.icio.us
Slashdot It!
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://db.cornwall.gov.uk/documents/download.aspx?doc=128607

15 March 2007 Agenda No. 6

CONSULTATION ON ETHNICITY, NATIONAL IDENTITY, LANGUAGE AND RELIGION IN THE 2011 CENSUS

Report by Chief Executive

RECCOMMENDATION

1. Members are asked to identify any changes and additions that they wish to make to the draft response to the Office for National Statistics on Ethnicity, National Identity, Language and Religion in the 2011 Census.

2. The Chief Executive be delegated to finalise the response, based on changes agreed at the meeting, in consultation with the Portfolio-holders for Corporate Resources and Community Services, and submit it to the Office for National Statistics.

BACKGROUND
1. 1.1 Planning for the 2011 Census is already well advanced. The Office for National Statistics seeks to maintain a continuous dialogue between the ten-yearly Censuses with groups who have a particular interest in Census issues, especially government departments, local authorities, academics and commercial interests. This is done partly through articles in journals, the ONS website, conferences and road shows and more formally through a number of consultative committees. The Council’s Senior Research and Information Officer is one of the local authority representatives on two of these committees, the Census Local Authority Liaison Steering Group and the Central and Local Government Information Partnership (CLIP) Census Sub Group. Discussions on a number of issues are taking place at a seminar in London on 9 March.

1.2 In 2005 the Office for National Statistics held a public consultation on the content of the 2011 Census for England and Wales. The County Council’s submission, prepared in consultation with the Portfolio-holder for Corporate Resources, covered a wide spectrum of Census issues and included the following two paragraphs on ethnicity and language:

“It is assumed that detailed points relating to ethnic group will be considered in depth in a future consultation round. This is a very important and sensitive matter. At this stage Cornwall County Council wishes to make early comments about Cornish ethnicity. The fact that nearly 34,000 residents of Cornwall wrote in that their ethnicity was Cornish suggests that, if there had been a tick box option, the number would have been considerably greater. The County Council’s policy has been that information about Cornish ethnicity would be of interest and we believe that the Census is one of the best mechanisms for securing that. We want ONS to investigate seriously the feasibility of a Cornish tick box option. This would be consistent, for example, with new approaches to School Censuses where DFES have recognised Cornish as a category.

Finally, following the recognition by the Government in 2002 of the Cornish language under Part 2 of the Council of Europe’s European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages, we believe that it is necessary to give serious consideration to a Cornish language question. We understand that the Government Office for the South West supports this. On this and the issue of Cornish ethnicity, which are both very particular to Cornwall, we would hope that ONS would consider special more detailed consultation with interested parties”.


1.3 In response ONS published in March, 2006 an Information Paper, “The 2011 Census: Assessment of initial user requirements on content for England and Wales – Ethnicity, identity, language and religion” which gave a brief summary of submissions and quoted from a selection of them. It included the following relevant extracts

“A specific tick-box was also requested for Cornish. One individual suggested that the availability of information on Cornish would improve the targeting of resource allocation and service provision, stating that “anecdotal evidence suggests that, in terms of housing, cultural provision, education and employment opportunities in Cornwall, the Cornish fare worse than the non-Cornish”. It was also suggested that “providing the opportunity for people to self identify as Cornish is now considered an important aspect of equal opportunities in Cornwall and promotes mutual respect in the community”.

The Government Office for the South West support the collection on the use of Cornish language, stating that “The UK Government allocates funding to support regional or minority languages” and that “information about the use of these languages, including Cornish, is relevant to the resource allocation”. In 2002, Cornish language was added to the Council of Europe Charter for Regional and Minority Languages and information on the use of Cornish could be used to monitor the implementation of the charter. Cornish is the only UK language included within the charter currently excluded from the Census, as information on Welsh, Gaelic and Irish was collected in 2001”.


1.4 At the same time another paper “The 2011 Census: Assessment of initial user requirements on contents for England and Wales” was published, which covered more broadly all potential Census questions. This indicates that it is virtually certain that a question on ethnicity will be included and that one on language is under consideration. There is no specific reference to Cornish in a brief discussion of issues relating to ethnicity but on language the paper says “There was also some demand expressed for information on the use of specific languages including British Sign Language and Cornish”.

1.5 Since then ONS has classified Census topics into three categories

* Topics likely to be collected in the 2011 Census including ethnicity,
national identity and religion
* Topics where further work is required before a decision is made
including language
* Topics which will not be collected in the 2011 Census including English language proficiency.

1.6 Current Census planning is concentrating mainly on preparations for a Census Test in May this year in selected local authorities, none of which are in Cornwall but which do include parts of Carmarthenshire which have similarities with parts of Cornwall.

1.7 ONS is also conducting consultations on various Census issues in a somewhat ad hoc way. Many of these are technical or give an opportunity to expand on the comments made in the 2005 consultation. Some of these consultations have been publicised on the ONS website; others have been sent to people known to have an interest in a topic and who are allowed to spread awareness to others who may wish to comment. Local authorities are active in making their views known, either individually or through the Local Government Association.

1.8 A consultation on the ethnicity, national identity, language and religion topics for the 2001 Census is currently under way and responses will be accepted until the end of March. These are particularly contentious matters, both the topics themselves and also the specifically Cornish elements and ones in which many members are known to take a particularly strong interest. It was therefore thought appropriate to debate the issues raised by the consultation at the Community Policy Development and Scrutiny Committee with all Members invited to attend.

1.9 A short consultation document has already been circulated to Members. The questionnaire, including a draft response, is attached as Appendix 1. The draft is based primarily on previous representations made on the Census to ONS and discussions with colleagues in other local authorities. Views of members have been requested on what changes and additions should be made. So far opinions have been received from four members.

1.10 One member considered that the 2001 Census form was too intrusive and that the current proposals would make things worse. There were strong civil liberties concerns that the questions under consideration were very intrusive, at best nosey and at worst questionable. Should the Census be merely a head count with the age profile of the population to assist the planning of services or should it be seen, alongside identity cards, as being used to enable the government to probe into people’s private lives?

1.11 Another member was concerned that there was confusion in Government agencies about commitment to multiculturalism and that it was very important for the Census to collect information which would assist that. Good information including an accurate count of people who regarded themselves as having Cornish ethnicity was very important but there had to be strong business cases to support the collection of the information. Questions on language should be sophisticated to understand the extent of use of different languages including Cornish.

1.12 A third member wanted the Council to make the strongest possible representations on the issues of Cornish ethnicity and language.

1.13 A fourth member was keen that local faith and ethnic minority groups were made aware of the consultation.

1.14 Appendix 2 shows the page of the Census Test form with questions on ethnicity, religion and language. The questions reflect the latest stage of development of thinking by ONS but they emphasise that questions are by no means finalised.

1.15 The Census Act 1920 as amended identifies matters in respect of which particulars may be required in a Census. The schedule includes nationality, birthplace, race and language; religion; and any other matters with respect to which it is desirable to obtain statistical information with a view to ascertaining the social or civil condition of the population.

1.16 Information on ethnicity, national identity, language and religion is potentially very important for Cornwall County Council. The Council Plan 2006-2009 says “We want Cornwall to be known as a welcoming County where everyone is treated fairly, equally and with respect, and diversity is celebrated. We will not discriminate against anyone because of their race, colour, nationality, ethnic origin, religion, belief, disability, age, gender, marital status or sexual discrimination”.

1.17 Some extracts from the Local Area Agreement Strong 5 project initiation document produced earlier this year are relevant.

“To build a cohesive society in Cornwall, all aspects of diversity need to be considered and addressed. In order to provide social economic and environmental well-being for our residents all partners will need to understand diversity and have and follow appropriate policies and practices.

There are significant gaps in knowledge on the location, nature and needs of many of the black and minority ethnic (BME), marginalised and hard-to-reach groups in Cornwall. Often within Cornwall, it appears that individuals, groups and communities do not have a ‘critical mass’ to develop long-term sustainable networks and organisation (Source LPSA Target 4 Reward Grant).

A national report for Government by the Cabinet Office in 2003 on ethnic minorities and the labour market found that there are wide variations in the labour market achievements of different ethnic minority groups and that higher unemployment and lower earnings for some could be a potential threat to social cohesion.

There is considerable baseline evidence on equality and diversity issues in Cornwall, but it is accepted that it is not co-ordinated or widely shared and that considerable gaps exist in some areas. It is accepted that research to fill these gaps would help inform decisions on equality and diversity issues throughout the LAA and associated areas.

For convenience equality and diversity is split into six separate, but often overlapping strands, namely:

• Race • Sexual Orientation
• Gender (including trans- gender) • Disability
• Age • Religion or belief

However equality and diversity cannot solely be considered in these terms and many other ‘communities of interest’ and ‘communities of need’ exist who may be advertently or inadvertently discriminated against whether they be single parents, migrant workers, young or old people”.

1.18 The ten yearly Census is the only survey on a large enough scale to produce meaningful statistics for groups of the population like these.

1.19 As further background, there are some issues to which members may wish to take into particularly consideration. First the 2001 Census form contained 3 pages of questions for each individual in a household and ONS is currently planning the same in 2011. The number of pages would be restricted, partly for reasons of cost and partly because of concerns about resistance by the public to too many questions. These are understandable worries.

1.20 There are also issues about civil liberties and the amount of information which Government holds about individuals. A few years ago ONS consulted on the concept of a national population register and the then Executive resolved to object to that. It is important to consider whether any possible Census topics, especially the ones which are the subject of the current consultation, are especially sensitive.

1.21 However, the Local Government Association and most local authorities seem to be making representations for four pages of questions for 2011. ONS are proposing additional questions, including ones about second homes, to try to identify better where people normally live. It is therefore likely that, even if the form remains at three pages, some 2001 topics will be deleted or simplified, especially economic questions, and the case to add new questions will need to be strong. The pressure for space means that even on topics which are selected the length of the question and the range of tick box options may have to be limited.

1.22 ONS warns in the context of this consultation that the eventual questions used in 2011 will have to balance the requirements for information with the constraints on questionnaire length and the need for questions to be clear, concise and acceptable to respondents. Difficult compromises will have to be made to achieve this.
1.23 Among the issues on which comments are sought are
* the acceptability of terms
* categories included and excluded
* collecting national identity data separately from ethnic group data
* continuity with 2001 data on ethnic group and religion
* allowing multiple responses in the ethnic group question
* the level of information required on languages

1.24 Ethnic group has been a question in the last two Censuses and there have been minor adjustments to the question. Initially there was nervousness about how this would be received and the concept of ethnicity is controversial; there are varying academic views on the basis of ethnicity – for example, how much it is a matter of skin colour, race or geographical origin. ONS now think that a question is broadly acceptable to the public. It is, however, interesting that the ethnic group categories used in last year’s Census Test in Scotland have some significant differences from to be tested in England later this year. Both sets are listed in Appendix 1.

1.25 For Census purposes Cornish has been accepted as an ethnic group and in 2001 for the first time those people who wrote in Cornish had that information recorded. However, there was no official initiative to spread awareness that this was a legitimate option and the number who wrote in Cornish, around 34,000 is undoubtedly much less than the real total. It is important for the County Council to make clear now what it would like to happen in 2011.

1.26 National identity has never been asked before and is not being tested in this year’s Census Test. However, it is very likely that there will be a question on this concept unless particularly strong user opposition emerges in the current consultation.

1.27 Questions on the Welsh and Gaelic languages have been asked before in Wales and Scotland respectively but a language question has not been considered seriously previously for England. It may not be included and members will need to consider how important it is both generally and specifically in relation to Cornish issues.

1.28 The religion question in 2001 included Christian as one broad category and was mainly designed to identify members of other major religions, especially among ethnic minority groups. Most local authority researchers outside the big cities have found the information interesting but no more than that. It is, however, likely to remain.

1.29 Many responses to the consultation have already been made from individuals and groups within Cornwall and discussions are currently taking place with ONS with a view to some of their senior officials visiting Cornwall in the spring to hold discussions on Census topics of particular importance to Cornwall. This will give the County Council and others a further opportunity to seek to influence the thinking of ONS and is to be welcomed.


PROPOSALS

2. 2.1 It is proposed that the County Council responds to the consultation by the Office for National Statistics, that the response is based on the draft in Appendix 1, amended to reflect any changes agreed at this meeting and that the Chief Executive be authorised to finalise the response in consultation with the Portfolio-holders for Corporate Resources and Community Services.


OPTIONS


3. 3.1 The options before the Committee relate to both the response itself and the way in which the final response is determined.

3.2 As regards the response, the Committee can decide
• Not to respond to this consultation
• To accept the draft response in Appendix 1
• To amend the draft response to incorporate points made by Members before or during the meeting of the Committee and which have the support of the Committee as a whole.

3.3 One particularly important issue on which it will be helpful for the Committee to give guidance is the degree of weight which they attach to civil liberties issues and whether they would prefer three or four pages of questions for each household member. The two extremes between which the Committee can decide are:
• To support restricting the form to three pages per household with as few sensitive issues as possible
• To support a four page questionnaire so that more topics including those covered by this consultation can be included.

3.4 As regards the way in which the final response is written, it is important that views agreed by members are incorporated fully. The only feasible method of doing this within the timescale is for the response to be finalised by the Chief Executive in consultation with the Portfolio-holders for Corporate Resources and Community Services.


RESOURCES


4. There are no resources implications arising from this report.


CONSULTATION/ROUTE

Public/Other No consultation has taken place to help inform this report but officers have attempted to spread awareness that this consultation is underway. Once the County Council has made a decision, further efforts will be made to inform interested parties and to seek to ensure that more representations are made to ONS on these issues.

Local Member(s)


Anticipated Date
Panel N/A


Committee Community PDSC
15 March 2007

Executive No


Council No



CONCLUSION


5. This is considered to be an important topic on which Members should make decisions on the stance which the Council takes. It will therefore be helpful if clear statements are agreed and subsequently all opportunities should be taken to promote these views and to seek to gain support for them.


Report Author(s) Malcolm Brown

Telephone 01872 322621

Email mbrown@cornwall.gov.uk


OFFICER APPROVAL

County Treasurer
Yes
Name of Treasurer’s Representative: Hugh Emsden

Legal Issues?
No
If ‘Yes’, Name of Solicitor:

Appendices


1. Draft response to Office for National Statistics “Consultation questionnaire on ethnic group, national identity, religion and language for the 2011 Census in England and Wales”.
2. Office for National Statistics Census Test 2007 Form Individual Questions in England Page 2.


List of Background Documents
(under provisions of the Local Government (Access to Information) Act 1985)


1. Office for National Statistics “Information Paper, The 2011 Census : Development of a questionnaire for the 2007 Census Test”
2. Office for National Statistics “Ethnicity, National Identity, Language and Religion in the 2011 Census in England and Wales: background to consultation”.
3. Office for National Statistics “Consultation questionnaire on ethnic group, national identity, religion and language for the 2011 Census in England and Wales”.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvldovHFj68

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeDdyRfALLo
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
palores



Joined: 26 Sep 2007
Posts: 38


Network this topic
Digg It
Del.icio.us
Slashdot It!
PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

from Cornwall24 - http://www.cornwall24.co.uk/module-pnForum-viewtopic-topic-4771-start-0.htm

COMMENTS: Dear BBC,

Again I am being asked: "Help us to keep our finger on the pulse. Do you have 5 minutes to tell us what you think about this site? YES | NO". The first set of questions asks me where i live. I live in Cornwall, United Kingdom. Cornwall (Kernow) is next to England. Why is there no option for "Cornwall" or even the "United Kingdom"? As such I am prevented from completing the survey i.e. the Cornish are excluded once again OR made to select "England" in order to proceed.
*************************************************

Subject: RE: Feedback [NewsWatch]
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:19:49 +0100
From: newsonline.errors@bbc.co.uk

You are not prevented from completing the survey, as Cornwall is in England. We do not propose to change the language of any of our surveys/webforms while this situation continues.

Best wishes,
BBC News website

*************************************************
Dear BBC,

No, I am prevented from submitting my views and thus excluded.

I will repeat that I live in Cornwall, United Kingdom. The United Kingdom is the name of the country. Alternatively please tell me, when did "England", "Wales", "Scotland" and "Northern Ireland" become recognised countries in their own right? Please name one country in the world that recognises them as such.

The Council for Racial Equality in Cornwall states the following:
'Cornwall' - Cornwall retains a unique and distinct constitutional relationship with the Crown, based on the Duchy of Cornwall and the Stannaries. For other purposes it is recognised as a Celtic region or nation and enjoys its own national flag. source: http://www.crec.org.uk/index.php/Main/Constitution

The Department for Education and Skills lists the following ethnic codes:

DfES Extended Codes Approved Extended Categories DfES Main Code Sub- Category
WBRI White - British WBRI White - British
WCOR White - Cornish WBRI White - British
WENG White - English WBRI White - British
WSCO White - Scottish WBRI White - British
WWEL White - Welsh WBRI White - British
WOWB Other White British WBRI White - British

source: www.standards.dfes.gov.uk/ethnicminorities/resources/Extended_Eth_Codes_V1_Oct06.xls

The Office for National Statistics lists the following ethnic codes for census purposes (first 10 shown):

WHITE
• 01 British
• 02 Irish
• 03 English
• 04 Scottish
• 05 Welsh
• 06 Cornish
• 07 Cypriot (part not stated)
• 08 Greek (including Greek Cypriot)
• 09 Turkish (including Turkish Cypriot)
• 10 Mediterranean (including Italian, Portuguese and Spanish)
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Census_2001_Ethnic_Codes

Can you please add an option for "United Kingdom", or "Cornwall", or a free text box option so that I, and other Cornish people, can actually list our location and thus take part in the web surveys. I do not believe that I am being unreasonable in this request.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvldovHFj68
Vote Cornish ! Cornish Census Day 27th March 2011
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Shaz



Joined: 05 Apr 2007
Posts: 702
Location: Kernow


Network this topic
Digg It
Del.icio.us
Slashdot It!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:10 pm    Post subject: Census 'must let Cornish record their identity' Reply with quote

Census 'must let Cornish record their identity'

"CAMPAIGNERS are stepping up their bid to have Cornish listed as a nationality in the 2011 census.

Thousands have joined the crusade online while MPs and councillors have pledged to lobby the Government to ensure people from Cornwall do not have their identity "swept aside just because they are small in number".

Under current plans, there will be no tick-box for people responding to the census to say they are "Cornish". Instead, they will have to tick "other" and then write in their response.

Critics say the omission will mean many people who consider themselves to be Cornish will not realise they can do this, and instead select one of the other options: English, Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish or British.

In 2001, some 37,000 people recorded their nationality as Cornish, leading officials to assign the response a designated code for the first time.

Now campaigners hope to raise the profile of the option to encourage more people to do the same – including a major Internet operation – eventually forcing organisers to provide a Cornish tick-box.

A video launched on YouTube claims it is "unjust and unfair" for Cornwall to be overlooked and not "treated in the same way as other UK indigenous minorities".

It also claims: "The continued refusal of Cornish recognition can only be explained as deliberate cultural genocide."

And on social networking website Facebook, a group called "Cornish Tickbox for the 2011 Census" has attracted the support of more than 2,800 people, including leading MPs, councillors and parliamentary candidates.

The site says: "Many citizens of Cornwall have considered themselves to be different from English for centuries. In Cornwall today, many consider themselves to be Cornish, not English, however, in the plans announced already, there will be no recognition for 'Cornish' on the 2011 census.

"There is, however, a community of us on Facebook that are trying to get the Government to change their decision over this, and to include Cornish on the census."

Meanwhile, the Office of National Statistics is coming under growing political pressure from the county's MPs, including Julia Goldsworthy (Falmouth and Camborne) and Dan Rogerson (North Cornwall) who have demanded a tick-box for Cornwall.

St Ives MP Andrew George has urged people to ensure they record their nationality as Cornish, even if a box is not made available.

"It is important that Cornish people should be given the opportunity to record their identity," he said.

"The Cornish identity should neither be ignored nor suppressed in the modern United Kingdom – we make a significant contribution to the celebration of diversity throughout this country and in a wider world. No-one's identity should be ignored, or swept aside just because they are small in number."

The issue of Cornish language and identity was "considered" by the Office of National Statistics but was "not included in the proposals for the 2011 census".

Other topics considered, but rejected, included fertility, Internet access, pet ownership and use of renewable energy resources."

From the WMN

Lot of comments on this...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   

Post new topic   Reply to topic
Page 1 of 1


 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

 Random Information. 
 1997 was the 500th anniversary of the An Gof uprising and a commemorative march (Keskerdh Kernow 500) was held, which retraced the route of the original march from St Keverne, Cornwall via Guildford to London. A statue depicting An Gof and Flamank was unveiled at An Gof's home town of St. Keverne and a commemorative plaque was also unveiled at Blackheath.  


Powered by FTI
There are a total of visits to this site since 13th July 07.