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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:43 pm    Post subject: English Democrats Reply with quote

I see the Crypto-Fascists*, the English Democrats have decided that Cornwall needs greater autonomy. Still bad bed fellows. When are they going to campaign on English identity positively, instead of whinging about the Scots all the time?

* I don't use this term lightly, since they have connections with the National Front, BNP and god knows who else.

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Campaigning for English Democracy


We are committed to government of the people, by the people, for the
people. Those with power to affect our way of life must be answerable
to the people.
Democracy is much more than the ability to choose, from time to time,
between broadly similar parties which compete amongst themselves for
power. Real democracy is measured by the ability of the people to
manage their political, economic, physical, and cultural environment.

The EDP will be guided by the following general principles:-

The state should serve the collective interests of its citizens.

We wish to see a modern and wide-ranging Bill of Rights founded on
traditional English civil liberties.

The EDP seeks a far ranging freedom of access to information.

Wherever reasonably practicable, public appointments should be chosen
by direct election.

Power should be devolved, as and when practical, within all spheres of
government and service provision, including, for example, the
education and health services.

Devolution within England should be through the existing system of
local government, subject to modifications that are necessary to meet
the needs of a workable and efficient democratic system. The aim
should be to enable local people to identify with Local Authorities.
We must reverse the trend towards remote and unaccountable
decision-making.

We favour
.............. - recognition for traditional counties, which would
include the reunification of Yorkshire;
.............. - greater autonomy for Cornwall.

We favour the use of referenda in local government with a view to
using referenda in other tiers of government if the experiment proves
successful. A system similar to that used in Switzerland should be the
model. This would enable citizens to petition for a referendum on
certain policy issues.

Proposed changes to the constitution should be referred to the
electorate in referenda. The results should be binding. There could be
a role here for the Second Chamber as guardian of the constitution.

Rules are needed for the timing and funding of referenda with the aim
of making them as fair as possible to all parties involved.

The creation of the English Democrats Party was prompted by concerns
that recent constitutional reform has ignored the interests and wishes
of the people of England.
The people of England should be given the same opportunity as those in
other parts of the United Kingdom to enjoy the opportunities and
benefits which devolution can bring. It should be seen as a chance to
build on the English democratic tradition and to create institutions
suited to modern needs.
Any UK citizen who is on the electoral register in England shall be
entitled to take part as a voter and candidate in the election of
members of the English Parliament.
There are many good constitutional and financial reasons for creating
an English Parliament but the over-riding argument is that the English
are a nation and as such they are entitled to a parliament which will
acknowledge and promote their identity and culture.

England to be recognised and treated as a unified country. Scotland
and Wales have been recognised as countries and their people given the
opportunity to vote in referenda for devolved government. Scotland now
has a parliament, and Wales an assembly. In contrast, the people of
England have been denied the opportunity to choose an English
Parliament. Instead, England is being dismembered into nine regions.
We find this discrimination unacceptable. England should be a
political entity with its own parliament and executive.
The immediate abandonment of the Barnett formula. The formula
institutionalises discrimination against the people of England by
ensuring that public spending in Scotland and Wales is far higher per
head of population than in England. The Barnett formula diverts about
8 billion of extra public expenditure to Scotland each year. This
means that the entire population of Scotland enjoys a subsidy
averaging 30 per person per week. This has meant, for example,
smaller class sizes in Scotland, higher pay for teachers, shorter
hospital waiting lists, and the availability of prescription drugs and
surgical procedures which are unavailable in England on grounds of
cost. This unjustified discrimination must end. A new fairer system is
needed which enables England's share of the 8 billion to be used to
improve public services in England.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although I can't stand the ED, i find myself visiting their forums quite often to see what they're up to...

It's hard to beat ignorant comments like this:

"There will be no referendum for Cornwall.
If you don't want to be English then live elsewhere.
Those English people who delude themselves that they are ancient Britons can go and join their brothers in Britain(Wales)."

Just wrong for so many reasons.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They hate us Scots, and the Welsh too.

English nationalism really has to move on from xenophobia, expansionism and racism. Then it shall prosper and be good for us all.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice lot the English Democrats, just look at the way they target a minority group in their London Mayoral election campaign.
Campaign poster here:
1): http://easishop.com/ourlondon/images/stories/site/tartan_taxes_large.jpg
2): http://easishop.com/ourlondon/images/stories/site/jock_strapped_large.jpg
3): http://easishop.com/ourlondon/images/stories/site/chop_jock_large.jpg
No mention of the fact that the people of London get more funding than the rest of us.

I also note that the English Dumbocrats are also slowly moving South West and its only a matter of time before they have a Cornwall branch: http://www.englishdemocrats.org.uk/southwest/counties.php
Still another anglo-british party to split the right wing vote isn't such a bad thing I suppose.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen those - pretty nasty. They have the right to complain about money heading north (if anything it's LONDON that is oversubsidised by the rest of the UK - and Scotland does pay its way), but by using racist caricatures, they show themselves up as a thoroughly nasty group.

See this quote from them (which doesn't acknowledge Cornwall at all!) - I have highlighted the sinister bit.

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Unlike the SNP and Plaid Cymru we are not seeking independence for England and we are not anti the Union. We are simply pro English. We would like to see a continuation of the Union of Great Britain, but with willing participants, and a new post devolutionary agreement. We would govern in the name of England, and would work with political parties in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland for the good and stability of the union.


That line could be taken in a couple of different ways. But it shows them as being British rather than proper English nationalists.

Considering that there are a lot of Scottish people in London, including Ken Livingston's family - and at one time, my father - I can see them being offended by this nonsense.
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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What an odd thing for this man to do Rolling Eyes

Keith Riley

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaz wrote:
What an odd thing for this man to do Rolling Eyes

Keith Riley

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Have you met him?

England needs a proper nationalist party, but most of them seem to be backward.
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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what Keith Riley and his potential electors think of the EDP alliance with the racist England First Party in the north of England?: http://www.opendemocracy.net/blog/ourkingdom-theme/gareth-young/2009/05/16/english-nationalism-vs-british-nationalism
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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Have you met him?

England needs a proper nationalist party, but most of them seem to be backward


Yes we've met him a few times, the first on his request but that was a few years back, last time we saw him was the Newquay Fish Festival year before last, we run the website and print the posters for that, don't think I spoke to him then but other half diid.

Agree that England needs a Nationalist party but Kernow does not need an English anything.

My choice for England would be Free England Party - Andrew Constantine resigned from ED & started it, have shared a few posts with him and he is sympathetic towrads the Cornish situation!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Constantine seems much better (I've encountered him elsewhere online), but I don't know how far he'll get sadly. Seems to be a decent person.
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